Rock Eisteddfod judges corrupt?
Wed, 19 Sept 2001, 11:12 amGilly17 posts in thread
Rock Eisteddfod judges corrupt?
Wed, 19 Sept 2001, 11:12 amThis is aimed to any of us that were involved with or viewed the Rock Eisteddfod Grand Final. The results stand as followed:
1. John Septimus Roe
2. Como
3. Perth Modern
4. Willetton
5. Mandurah Combined
To many of us involved with the schools production found these results rather suprising.
For the record, all my comments are not biased and I will not name my school for various reasons.
The general thought backstage was that Padbury (Harry Potter) and Yanchep (just a wish away from home) deserved places 1 and 2 respectively. Ocean Reef (Cobacabana) was of outstanding quality and also deserved to be in the top 5. Mandurah was thought to place higher, but 5th is a reasonable place. Willetton was alright, they deserved 4th and probably could have been beaten by Mandurah and other schools. Perth Modern was good, they always have been and always will be good so they deserved 3rd. Como: don't get me wrong, I loved their performance but the sets and costumes didn't really deserve 2nd. Watching the production during rehearsals you get to the finale and think "Finally, some colour in the performance!". And John Septimus Roe, simple idea and did a bloody good job of it, but most of us didn't think they deserved 1st place.
The performers choice award: who decides that? If the performers do, the only people they must of asked is the people from Como because I and most other schools would not say Como.
Hopefully there is a judge on this page that can answer this posting and shead some light on the situation. Comments?
How is it all judged and how did you get these results?
Cheers,
Alan Gill
1. John Septimus Roe
2. Como
3. Perth Modern
4. Willetton
5. Mandurah Combined
To many of us involved with the schools production found these results rather suprising.
For the record, all my comments are not biased and I will not name my school for various reasons.
The general thought backstage was that Padbury (Harry Potter) and Yanchep (just a wish away from home) deserved places 1 and 2 respectively. Ocean Reef (Cobacabana) was of outstanding quality and also deserved to be in the top 5. Mandurah was thought to place higher, but 5th is a reasonable place. Willetton was alright, they deserved 4th and probably could have been beaten by Mandurah and other schools. Perth Modern was good, they always have been and always will be good so they deserved 3rd. Como: don't get me wrong, I loved their performance but the sets and costumes didn't really deserve 2nd. Watching the production during rehearsals you get to the finale and think "Finally, some colour in the performance!". And John Septimus Roe, simple idea and did a bloody good job of it, but most of us didn't think they deserved 1st place.
The performers choice award: who decides that? If the performers do, the only people they must of asked is the people from Como because I and most other schools would not say Como.
Hopefully there is a judge on this page that can answer this posting and shead some light on the situation. Comments?
How is it all judged and how did you get these results?
Cheers,
Alan Gill
RE: Rock Eisteddfod judges corrupt?
Mon, 24 Sept 2001, 08:11 pmHi.
I agree. This dicussion isn't just targetting the issue of judging in the Rock Eisteddfod, but in any form of dramatic presentation. Whether it be entry into WAAPA or TEE Drama, or even an audition. Everybody has their own styles of judging and even though they all may be looking for the same things in a performance, the way they judge it is different. Someone may have seen something of much higher quality somewhere else, and therefore think differently when marking a monologue from, as someone said, Cosi when they had seen a fantastic monologue from Hamlet but at an entirely higher level, therefore they may think less of the "lower" quality monologue even though we would say it was excellent.
I have also heard that in the Rock Eisteddfod, if there are males invovled with the production they won't mark the performance as hard as they would if it were all females. I think that sucks. That means that some schools especially go out and recruit guys for their performance just so that they get that flexibility. I do admit that some guys aren't as talented as other and even the talented ones (like myself) are no where as good as a lot of females. I also don't agree with guys going in it because they want to perve on all the chicks running around in leotards. Many do that and I find that it gives a lot of guys in the Rock Eisteddfod a bad name. When I was at the final I was talking to a mate of mine from Kelmscott and we both agreed that we do it for the like of the art, and that the females are a bonus. In my mind, that's true. If there weren't about 1300 girls running around in leotards and the like I would still do it, if it was an all guys event I would still do it. But unfortunately there are leans toward schools with guys in them. Yes, they are an advantage for lifts and all that, and yes, some can actually dance but including guys in the Rock to get the lean, give them small roles and treat them like dirt is wrong, and I don't agree with it. I've probably gotten a little carried away here but there are something I feel strongly for or against, and that lean towards the guy friendly schools is something I'm against.
Comments? Any other leans and little secrets we haven't heard yet?
Alan
I agree. This dicussion isn't just targetting the issue of judging in the Rock Eisteddfod, but in any form of dramatic presentation. Whether it be entry into WAAPA or TEE Drama, or even an audition. Everybody has their own styles of judging and even though they all may be looking for the same things in a performance, the way they judge it is different. Someone may have seen something of much higher quality somewhere else, and therefore think differently when marking a monologue from, as someone said, Cosi when they had seen a fantastic monologue from Hamlet but at an entirely higher level, therefore they may think less of the "lower" quality monologue even though we would say it was excellent.
I have also heard that in the Rock Eisteddfod, if there are males invovled with the production they won't mark the performance as hard as they would if it were all females. I think that sucks. That means that some schools especially go out and recruit guys for their performance just so that they get that flexibility. I do admit that some guys aren't as talented as other and even the talented ones (like myself) are no where as good as a lot of females. I also don't agree with guys going in it because they want to perve on all the chicks running around in leotards. Many do that and I find that it gives a lot of guys in the Rock Eisteddfod a bad name. When I was at the final I was talking to a mate of mine from Kelmscott and we both agreed that we do it for the like of the art, and that the females are a bonus. In my mind, that's true. If there weren't about 1300 girls running around in leotards and the like I would still do it, if it was an all guys event I would still do it. But unfortunately there are leans toward schools with guys in them. Yes, they are an advantage for lifts and all that, and yes, some can actually dance but including guys in the Rock to get the lean, give them small roles and treat them like dirt is wrong, and I don't agree with it. I've probably gotten a little carried away here but there are something I feel strongly for or against, and that lean towards the guy friendly schools is something I'm against.
Comments? Any other leans and little secrets we haven't heard yet?
Alan
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