PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
Wed, 8 Feb 2006, 03:01 pmWalter Plinge20 posts in thread
PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
Wed, 8 Feb 2006, 03:01 pmHey Peeps,
My name is Rose and i would like to post one thing and one thing only,we have to be the only industry i know that gets paid great amounts to do what we love to do and we do it with passion and energy everyday,we also get paid to pass on our OWN knowledge and experience to our peers that know only what we tell to them so how about we let go of all the bagging and concentrate on working together to create a wholesome,full and vibing community rather than creating tension for all those that need to work together and lets work in harmony,for we are only gypsies!
Love Light and Happiness
Rose
xxx
My name is Rose and i would like to post one thing and one thing only,we have to be the only industry i know that gets paid great amounts to do what we love to do and we do it with passion and energy everyday,we also get paid to pass on our OWN knowledge and experience to our peers that know only what we tell to them so how about we let go of all the bagging and concentrate on working together to create a wholesome,full and vibing community rather than creating tension for all those that need to work together and lets work in harmony,for we are only gypsies!
Love Light and Happiness
Rose
xxx
Walter PlingeWed, 8 Feb 2006, 03:01 pm
Hey Peeps,
My name is Rose and i would like to post one thing and one thing only,we have to be the only industry i know that gets paid great amounts to do what we love to do and we do it with passion and energy everyday,we also get paid to pass on our OWN knowledge and experience to our peers that know only what we tell to them so how about we let go of all the bagging and concentrate on working together to create a wholesome,full and vibing community rather than creating tension for all those that need to work together and lets work in harmony,for we are only gypsies!
Love Light and Happiness
Rose
xxx
My name is Rose and i would like to post one thing and one thing only,we have to be the only industry i know that gets paid great amounts to do what we love to do and we do it with passion and energy everyday,we also get paid to pass on our OWN knowledge and experience to our peers that know only what we tell to them so how about we let go of all the bagging and concentrate on working together to create a wholesome,full and vibing community rather than creating tension for all those that need to work together and lets work in harmony,for we are only gypsies!
Love Light and Happiness
Rose
xxx
crgwllmsWed, 8 Feb 2006, 03:42 pm
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
Gypsy Rose Lee wrote:
>
> Hey Peeps,
>
> My name is Rose and i would like to post one thing and one
> thing only,we have to be the only industry i know that gets
> paid great amounts to do what we love to do and we do it with
> passion and energy everyday,we also get paid to pass on our
> OWN knowledge and experience to our peers that know only what
> we tell to them so how about we let go of all the bagging and
> concentrate on working together to create a wholesome,full
> and vibing community rather than creating tension for all
> those that need to work together and lets work in harmony,for
> we are only gypsies!
> Love Light and Happiness
> Rose
> xxx
Great sentiment Rose, and I agree with and support what you say.
...Although I don't know about being paid GREAT amounts to do what we love to do...barely adequate in most cases...
...and I just thought of a few other industries that get paid WAY better for doing what they like to do (the entire professional sports industry, commercial scuba divers, computer game designers, the people who film and produce pornos, all the bands at the Big Day Out...)
...but there i go, creating tension again! Drama, conflict, what's the matter with me?
Cheers,
Craig
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>
> Hey Peeps,
>
> My name is Rose and i would like to post one thing and one
> thing only,we have to be the only industry i know that gets
> paid great amounts to do what we love to do and we do it with
> passion and energy everyday,we also get paid to pass on our
> OWN knowledge and experience to our peers that know only what
> we tell to them so how about we let go of all the bagging and
> concentrate on working together to create a wholesome,full
> and vibing community rather than creating tension for all
> those that need to work together and lets work in harmony,for
> we are only gypsies!
> Love Light and Happiness
> Rose
> xxx
Great sentiment Rose, and I agree with and support what you say.
...Although I don't know about being paid GREAT amounts to do what we love to do...barely adequate in most cases...
...and I just thought of a few other industries that get paid WAY better for doing what they like to do (the entire professional sports industry, commercial scuba divers, computer game designers, the people who film and produce pornos, all the bands at the Big Day Out...)
...but there i go, creating tension again! Drama, conflict, what's the matter with me?
Cheers,
Craig
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TaureanWed, 8 Feb 2006, 08:08 pm
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
PAID????? ... You guys get PAID?!?!?!?!
Boy, some people get all the breaks... I'm still in it for the love!!
Just kidding guys. If you can earn an income (ANY income, great or not-so-great) from doing what you love to do... then more power to you!
I sincerely hope you are able to keep doing so for many years to come.
Chookas!!
Boy, some people get all the breaks... I'm still in it for the love!!
Just kidding guys. If you can earn an income (ANY income, great or not-so-great) from doing what you love to do... then more power to you!
I sincerely hope you are able to keep doing so for many years to come.
Chookas!!
Walter PlingeThu, 9 Feb 2006, 10:19 am
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
You are a dick out right craig
Walter PlingeThu, 9 Feb 2006, 01:58 pm
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
Who's a dick out
and why does Craig agree?
and why does Craig agree?
Walter PlingeFri, 10 Feb 2006, 08:23 am
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
I cant believe you Gypsy Rose. Look at the fight you just caused.
Walter PlingeFri, 10 Feb 2006, 08:45 am
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
please !!!!
its not Gypsy Rose's fault that people have turned this around.
There are too many ego's in the industry.
Gypsy Rose is correct... Our industry would shine and grow so much quicker and grow into the beautiful industry it could be if the energy from all the bickering and jibes was put into a more constructive attitude. Being Amateur is only a state of mind. If you use the excuse "it doesnt matter because i am an amateur" than you will get nowhere and drag all the community theatre groups down with you.
If all you do is write humiliating forums than all you do is destroy the spark that could turn someone into a talented star.
Community theatre should be a breeding ground for gaining experience for use in the professional circuit. Instead people use forums like this to throw jibes and bicker and carry on.
No wonder semi professional and professional performers keep away from community theatre.
If we all changed our attitudes than we would see more semi pro, & pro performers in our productions with us.
Then our community theatre scene would be taken seriously by writers and playwrites and we would be allowed to do more complicated shows that international amateurs are enjoying.
to borrow a friends quote
"Love the stage, It will love you back"
its not Gypsy Rose's fault that people have turned this around.
There are too many ego's in the industry.
Gypsy Rose is correct... Our industry would shine and grow so much quicker and grow into the beautiful industry it could be if the energy from all the bickering and jibes was put into a more constructive attitude. Being Amateur is only a state of mind. If you use the excuse "it doesnt matter because i am an amateur" than you will get nowhere and drag all the community theatre groups down with you.
If all you do is write humiliating forums than all you do is destroy the spark that could turn someone into a talented star.
Community theatre should be a breeding ground for gaining experience for use in the professional circuit. Instead people use forums like this to throw jibes and bicker and carry on.
No wonder semi professional and professional performers keep away from community theatre.
If we all changed our attitudes than we would see more semi pro, & pro performers in our productions with us.
Then our community theatre scene would be taken seriously by writers and playwrites and we would be allowed to do more complicated shows that international amateurs are enjoying.
to borrow a friends quote
"Love the stage, It will love you back"
Walter PlingeFri, 10 Feb 2006, 02:16 pm
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
I was being sarcastic.
crgwllmsFri, 10 Feb 2006, 03:10 pm
Passion Pop
more passion wrote:
>
> please !!!!
> its not Gypsy Rose's fault that people have turned this around.
> There are too many ego's in the industry.
> Gypsy Rose is correct... Our industry would shine and grow so
> much quicker and grow into the beautiful industry it could be
> if the energy from all the bickering and jibes was put into a
> more constructive attitude. Being Amateur is only a state of
> mind. If you use the excuse "it doesnt matter because i am an
> amateur" than you will get nowhere and drag all the community
> theatre groups down with you.
Hey, once again, I agree with your sentiment. But there's an underlying sense of humour in the responses above that you may have missed. It's probably my fault, I was first to respond with a jibe....and then someone called me a dick for doing so. What followed might have seemed like bickering, but I don't believe anyone is disputing what Gypsy Rose had first written, other than sending ourselves up by bickering about it as she said we would.
> If all you do is write humiliating forums than all you do is
> destroy the spark that could turn someone into a talented star.
> Community theatre should be a breeding ground for gaining
> experience for use in the professional circuit. Instead
> people use forums like this to throw jibes and bicker and
> carry on.
I try not to deliberately be humiliating, and if I was, I apologise. If you mean the dick who called me a dick, then I'm not humilated by that. It made a point, and spoke volumes. Rest assured it hasn't destroyed my spark...I may yet turn into a talented star.
> No wonder semi professional and professional performers keep
> away from community theatre.
> If we all changed our attitudes than we would see more semi
> pro, & pro performers in our productions with us.
> Then our community theatre scene would be taken seriously by
> writers and playwrights and we would be allowed to do more
> complicated shows that international amateurs are enjoying.
Although I'm perhaps the main offender for making smart comments, your admonishment doesn't really apply in my case because I AM a professional performer. (Who by the way has been involved in several community productions over the past year).
Don't be dismayed that carrying on like this is responsible for amateur theatre not being taken seriously... the professionals don't keep away because there's too much bickering here - they keep away because they're too busy bickering amongst themselves.
Cheers,
Craig
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>
> please !!!!
> its not Gypsy Rose's fault that people have turned this around.
> There are too many ego's in the industry.
> Gypsy Rose is correct... Our industry would shine and grow so
> much quicker and grow into the beautiful industry it could be
> if the energy from all the bickering and jibes was put into a
> more constructive attitude. Being Amateur is only a state of
> mind. If you use the excuse "it doesnt matter because i am an
> amateur" than you will get nowhere and drag all the community
> theatre groups down with you.
Hey, once again, I agree with your sentiment. But there's an underlying sense of humour in the responses above that you may have missed. It's probably my fault, I was first to respond with a jibe....and then someone called me a dick for doing so. What followed might have seemed like bickering, but I don't believe anyone is disputing what Gypsy Rose had first written, other than sending ourselves up by bickering about it as she said we would.
> If all you do is write humiliating forums than all you do is
> destroy the spark that could turn someone into a talented star.
> Community theatre should be a breeding ground for gaining
> experience for use in the professional circuit. Instead
> people use forums like this to throw jibes and bicker and
> carry on.
I try not to deliberately be humiliating, and if I was, I apologise. If you mean the dick who called me a dick, then I'm not humilated by that. It made a point, and spoke volumes. Rest assured it hasn't destroyed my spark...I may yet turn into a talented star.
> No wonder semi professional and professional performers keep
> away from community theatre.
> If we all changed our attitudes than we would see more semi
> pro, & pro performers in our productions with us.
> Then our community theatre scene would be taken seriously by
> writers and playwrights and we would be allowed to do more
> complicated shows that international amateurs are enjoying.
Although I'm perhaps the main offender for making smart comments, your admonishment doesn't really apply in my case because I AM a professional performer. (Who by the way has been involved in several community productions over the past year).
Don't be dismayed that carrying on like this is responsible for amateur theatre not being taken seriously... the professionals don't keep away because there's too much bickering here - they keep away because they're too busy bickering amongst themselves.
Cheers,
Craig
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Walter PlingeFri, 10 Feb 2006, 05:28 pm
Re: Passion Pop
Hey, I thought Gypsy made a good point. I was just having fun with Crazy Kid's punctuation. I think all the other posts were made in good spirit.
crgwllmsSun, 12 Feb 2006, 12:57 am
Re: Passion Popped
Jared wrote:
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> you are a jerk
See? I inspire all the brightest minds to engage me in their wittiest reparte.
Correction: I'm a professional jerk.
Cheers,
Craig
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> you are a jerk
See? I inspire all the brightest minds to engage me in their wittiest reparte.
Correction: I'm a professional jerk.
Cheers,
Craig
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Walter PlingeSun, 12 Feb 2006, 12:40 pm
Re: Passion Popped
and people thought it was the waapa kids who were posting inane messages.
Long time no post for me Craig. But I definately agree with your first post in this thread. For the training, talent and dedication that goes into someone getting their first commercial musical they are paid no where near the equivalent in a lot of other industries. Some how it seems that loving our job is a fringe benefit and something that we sacrifice salary for.
Long time no post for me Craig. But I definately agree with your first post in this thread. For the training, talent and dedication that goes into someone getting their first commercial musical they are paid no where near the equivalent in a lot of other industries. Some how it seems that loving our job is a fringe benefit and something that we sacrifice salary for.
Walter PlingeWed, 15 Feb 2006, 06:07 am
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
I dont understand how bickering on forums has any bearing on professionals coming to be in an amateur theatre production?
Also, I have to ask- why would you do amateur theatre as a professional when you could be being paid? I don't quite understand the argument.
Also, what is "semi-pro"?
This all sounds a little weird to me.
I dont at all understand why professional performers are supposed to do community theatre? I am not being a snob, but what's the point? Professional theatre and community theatre serve two completely different purposes. One is a hobby group, the other is professional entertainment. They are entirely different communities...?
Also, I have to ask- why would you do amateur theatre as a professional when you could be being paid? I don't quite understand the argument.
Also, what is "semi-pro"?
This all sounds a little weird to me.
I dont at all understand why professional performers are supposed to do community theatre? I am not being a snob, but what's the point? Professional theatre and community theatre serve two completely different purposes. One is a hobby group, the other is professional entertainment. They are entirely different communities...?
NaWed, 15 Feb 2006, 06:57 am
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
For some professional actors and technicians, assisting an amateur production is an opportunity to give something back to the community; keep their hand in while they are searching for paid work (it doesn't come in one continuous flow, but fluctuates from season to season); keep their hand in while they do 'normal' work (when they find professional work simply isn't paying the bills enough); some people find that the professional environment is too difficult to keep up with, and return to amateur for the 'relaxed' outlook on theatre; or for the pure enjoyment.
I also know many people who work on amateur shows because they have the opportunity to learn new skills in new roles - a friend works with a youth theatre group because she often does directing and production management, something she hasn't been able to do as a professional.
They may be two different communities, but most of the emerging artists will come from an amateur company and go on to developing a career in the arts. It's also another way to network.
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I also know many people who work on amateur shows because they have the opportunity to learn new skills in new roles - a friend works with a youth theatre group because she often does directing and production management, something she hasn't been able to do as a professional.
They may be two different communities, but most of the emerging artists will come from an amateur company and go on to developing a career in the arts. It's also another way to network.
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RoganWed, 15 Feb 2006, 06:04 pm
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>>why would you do amateur theatre as a professional when you could be being paid?
Because if it were that easy, no professional actor would ever be out of work... I think it's a great opportunity to keep your skills up and at least enjoy some extra stage experience... It's an unfortunately fact that people associate "money" with being professional...
>>I am not being a snob, but what's the point? One is a hobby group, the other is professional entertainment.
I would never work with, nor have I encountered a theatre group that uses the excuse "we're amateur" to pull off second rate entertainment... They work just as hard, if not harder, to put on the best performances they can... As far as "professional entertainment" goes, Ive seen a lot of "hobby groups" that do a better job than some of those actually working in the industry...
If it's a question of talent, and "hobby groups" just being a bit of fun, I know die-hard fans that support these groups hook, nail and tooth, and would sooner attend the opening night of one of the amateur shows than a pro one... Amateur groups give any performer (professional or non-professional) the opportunity to work on stage in an environment that is (hopefully) nurturing and supportive...
Sure, some see it as "a bit of fun on the side", and some see it as "the experience of a life-time" - But I think it's unfair to draw a line between these two worlds (pro vs amateur) and say that money is a defining factor... Because real talent, and the "passion in our industry", doesn't depend on it...
Because if it were that easy, no professional actor would ever be out of work... I think it's a great opportunity to keep your skills up and at least enjoy some extra stage experience... It's an unfortunately fact that people associate "money" with being professional...
>>I am not being a snob, but what's the point? One is a hobby group, the other is professional entertainment.
I would never work with, nor have I encountered a theatre group that uses the excuse "we're amateur" to pull off second rate entertainment... They work just as hard, if not harder, to put on the best performances they can... As far as "professional entertainment" goes, Ive seen a lot of "hobby groups" that do a better job than some of those actually working in the industry...
If it's a question of talent, and "hobby groups" just being a bit of fun, I know die-hard fans that support these groups hook, nail and tooth, and would sooner attend the opening night of one of the amateur shows than a pro one... Amateur groups give any performer (professional or non-professional) the opportunity to work on stage in an environment that is (hopefully) nurturing and supportive...
Sure, some see it as "a bit of fun on the side", and some see it as "the experience of a life-time" - But I think it's unfair to draw a line between these two worlds (pro vs amateur) and say that money is a defining factor... Because real talent, and the "passion in our industry", doesn't depend on it...
Walter PlingeWed, 15 Feb 2006, 07:59 pm
Re: PASSION IN OUR INDUSTRY
Hey.
Although I DO agree with you on this how we get paid great amounts for doing what we love ( well if u even make it to the professional side of it )....................I will have to disagree with you on one part of it.
Never forget that there are ppl who aren't performers, who love their work.
My dad is a carpenter, he is now 49yr's old, he has been doing this since he was 14, and he goes to work every day because he loves what he does and has that " passion. " That's the same with my brother who's a mechanic on his last yr apprenticship.
But then again, we performers, have that passion on a different level to other ppl. I never have complaints about being a performer, coz i go to every rehearsal, every show, every class, knowing that even if i don't make it big in the industry, or get the fame and fortune, i know i've made it any way, because i'm doing something I love and no one will take it away from me.
SL
Although I DO agree with you on this how we get paid great amounts for doing what we love ( well if u even make it to the professional side of it )....................I will have to disagree with you on one part of it.
Never forget that there are ppl who aren't performers, who love their work.
My dad is a carpenter, he is now 49yr's old, he has been doing this since he was 14, and he goes to work every day because he loves what he does and has that " passion. " That's the same with my brother who's a mechanic on his last yr apprenticship.
But then again, we performers, have that passion on a different level to other ppl. I never have complaints about being a performer, coz i go to every rehearsal, every show, every class, knowing that even if i don't make it big in the industry, or get the fame and fortune, i know i've made it any way, because i'm doing something I love and no one will take it away from me.
SL
crgwllmsWed, 15 Feb 2006, 11:06 pm
Re: Passion Plays
Dana wrote:
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> why would you do amateur theatre as a
> professional when you could be being paid? I don't quite
> understand the argument.
It's in the subject heading....Passion!
And are we getting confused again about the difference between amateur, professional, employed, and unemployed..?
Plenty of professionals out there who are NOT employed. So they can still do amateur theatre in the meantime, and not upset your argument above.
Understand now?
Cheers,
Craig
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>
> why would you do amateur theatre as a
> professional when you could be being paid? I don't quite
> understand the argument.
It's in the subject heading....Passion!
And are we getting confused again about the difference between amateur, professional, employed, and unemployed..?
Plenty of professionals out there who are NOT employed. So they can still do amateur theatre in the meantime, and not upset your argument above.
Understand now?
Cheers,
Craig
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Walter PlingeThu, 16 Feb 2006, 05:40 am
Re: Passion Plays
No actually.
Professional means A PROFESSIONS. Which means a career in which you are being paid. I know a handful of paid-performers and I can't say I have heard of any of them- or their friends- doing amateur shows when they are unemployed. I have heard of co-op which is split profit. But I certainly haven't heard that Kate Hoolihan, between gigs, does a season for Joondalup Players.
I understand passion, I am not brainless Craig. What i didn't understand was how forum arguments stop professional entertainers from synchronising with amateur theatre groups.
Whatever. I don't buy any of the arguments. They are just not very clear to me.
But I must say I do look forward to seeing Marina Prior strut her stuff in my local community hall or nearby high school auditorium some day soon. That would proove her passion.
Weird argument.
Professional means A PROFESSIONS. Which means a career in which you are being paid. I know a handful of paid-performers and I can't say I have heard of any of them- or their friends- doing amateur shows when they are unemployed. I have heard of co-op which is split profit. But I certainly haven't heard that Kate Hoolihan, between gigs, does a season for Joondalup Players.
I understand passion, I am not brainless Craig. What i didn't understand was how forum arguments stop professional entertainers from synchronising with amateur theatre groups.
Whatever. I don't buy any of the arguments. They are just not very clear to me.
But I must say I do look forward to seeing Marina Prior strut her stuff in my local community hall or nearby high school auditorium some day soon. That would proove her passion.
Weird argument.