Sally D & Others....

STOP FILLING UP THIS FORUM WITH CRAP! Why don't you and your aspiring waapa friends get your own mailing list and email each other this rubbish?? This website and it's forums are meant to be about theatre around australia not all your dribble it's just wasting space! By all means live in your fantasy world, but do it somewhere else! Nobody cares and we don't want want to see it filling up our screens! So go somewhere else - l feel sorry for your lecturers this year, i hope you settle down once you arrive!

hello

Chill out a little :)
It's actually quite amusing if you follow it, but if you can't then don't read it.
Have a good one

Dear Showzfan....picture this...me sitting here giving you the finger...

OK, sorry that was out of line...i tend to do things with out thinking. However if all the dribble on this web site offends you so much you don't have to read it. The internet is for everyone, including WAAPA students, so we have just as much right to post on this site as anyone else. Its not like there is an abundance of theatre in Australia to talk about anyway, but when things do come up we are all interested in discussing new works and productions, that's why we look on this site. Oh and please don't feel sorry for our lecturers, its our crazy energy and the plethora of ideas coming out of the fantasy world in our heads that keeps them stimulated in their jobs. I would hate to see the day when actors become conservative.
Sincerely,
Cracker

I am a Waapa student, and although i think Showzfan has a small point. eg i can see how in house talk can get annoying. I think he should chill out aswell... hey come to serenity for a drink! it's fun!

Waapa people.... aka Janty has raised some very good "non Waapa" issues on this site, and it is also a great way of talking to prospective students and helping them in their prep! I wish i knew this site before i auditioned!

just my 2 cents
Pan

Thou mangled rude-growing hedge-pig!

I have nothing against waapa students, I used to be one.

Cracker wrote:
>
> OK, sorry that was out of line...i tend to do things with out
> thinking. However if all the dribble on this web site
> offends you so much you don't have to read it. The internet
> is for everyone, including WAAPA students, so we have just as
> much right to post on this site as anyone else. Its not like
> there is an abundance of theatre in Australia to talk about
> anyway, but when things do come up we are all interested in
> discussing new works and productions, that's why we look on
> this site. Oh and please don't feel sorry for our lecturers,
> its our crazy energy and the plethora of ideas coming out of
> the fantasy world in our heads that keeps them stimulated in
> their jobs. I would hate to see the day when actors become
> conservative.
> Sincerely,
> Cracker


Thanks, Cracker, for at least providing an intelligent response. No one is saying you guys should not be posting here, in fact you SHOULD be. Neither should you feel the need to be conservative or restrict those crazy ideas.

But I also feel sympathy for Showzfan's point of view...there has been a lot of juvenile dribble bantered back and forth recently from a handful identifying themselves as WAAPA students, and to anyone outside your private loop it appears tedious, unfunny, and 'wanky'.

As your training progresses, you might feel more inclined to try and counteract this negative, cliched view of WAAPA students and instead provide more creative entertainment. You're now jointly responsible for the public face of the institution you attend. Feel proud about that, and make the general public feel pride for you, not scorn.

If this really IS your calling, you're just going to have to become aware that anything you do from now on is likely to be scrutinised under the public eye. Rightly or wrongly, you're going to receive public criticism, and a large part of your reputation will emerge from how you choose to publicly respond to such criticism.


I'm not pretending that I haven't also written some crap here at times. Some of what I write here has been purely to get a rise; to be controversial, non-conformist, & non-conservative. A lot of it is just to get a laugh. And a lot of it is ego-driven. Occasionally I might actually be sharing useful wisdom or information...usually I'm just being smart-arsed and opinionated.

But at all times I am certainly aware of my audience.
I think this was probably the underpinning argument behind Showzfan's complaint. You guys were missing a terrific opportunity to be amusing and to be entertaining others. If you're only here for your own amusement it just comes across as wank.
You can get away with writing just about anything here so long as you are mindful and respectful of your audience.

I'd say that'd be a good skill to practise, sometime before you guys graduate, eh?



All the best in the coming semesters. I'll quite possibly work with many of you when you emerge on the other side.

Cheers,
Craig

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Thankyou Craig, that was exactly what I was trying to say:)

I am not a WAAPA MT student, nor do I ever aspire to be one. I agree with the overall bearing of Showzfan's argument. As I bear witness (purely by choice) to your constant banter I sometimes find myself irritated at the juvenility of the conversations taking place. At these times I think you should all grow up and get out more...

Usually however I find myself highly amused.
Is SAPA still taking enrolments?

Well i'm glad we all got that sorted out. Cheers everyone!

And yes...SAPA is still taking enrolments.


x

Sooner or later I had to chime in to this debate:

This raises a very interesting point. Whilst a lot of what WAAPA people have posted on this site has been educational for people going into first year. As it does give them a genuine feel for the place and what kinda things go on there, however I can understand that people that are not involved in WAAPA and have no desire to ever be involved (ie are not future prospective students) may find it irritating. As over the last few months we have hijacked this particular forum.

I must admit at WAAPA we do engage in a large amount of banter, not only is it entertaining, it is a way of constantly keeping your imagination fresh, increasing your vocabularly and a good excercise in lateral thinking. Kind of like debating a useless topic just for the intellectual exercise. So with us all spread around the country and not living in each others pockets as usual, we have to find new ways of keeping our banter up.

As we do live in a market driven, capitalist society the increase in WAAPA activity on this site may possibly be a good argument for adding a new forum classification in which people that weren't interested wouldn't have to wade through the pages of babble we leave for them. Just an idea, anyone know how we go about petitioning this?

There is also the other debate, which is: If your not interested, don;t read it. But I do see both sides.

Hope your all well.

JANTY

Why don't you just start your own mailing group/list or create a group through 'yahoo groups' or something? Why should they add n extra forum on this site? no offence but i don't see the point, most of the stuff you guys write is only relevent to you so why don't you just take it off this board and into another form? just a suggestion:)

Janty wrote:
>
> This raises a very interesting point. Whilst a lot of what
> WAAPA people have posted on this site has been educational
> for people going into first year. As it does give them a
> genuine feel for the place and what kinda things go on there,
> however I can understand that people that are not involved in
> WAAPA and have no desire to ever be involved (ie are not
> future prospective students) may find it irritating. As over
> the last few months we have hijacked this particular forum.


And it raises some very interesting grammar. Only one proper sentence (the first one) in the whole paragraph. 'Educational' isn't the right word; I'd downgrade it to 'informative'.



> I must admit at WAAPA we do engage in a large amount of
> banter, not only is it entertaining, it is a way of
> constantly keeping your imagination fresh, increasing your
> vocabularly and a good excercise in lateral thinking. Kind of
> like debating a useless topic just for the intellectual
> exercise. So with us all spread around the country and not
> living in each others pockets as usual, we have to find new
> ways of keeping our banter up.


I love increasing my....what does this word mean?....vocabularly?

Nevertheless, as this typical response of mine shows, I too enjoy debating a useless topic just for the intellectual exercise.

I think you'd find that most visitors to this site would agree with you on the merits of intellectual banter. That's a major reason for much of the discussion here...it's not a pastime exclusive to WAAPA. And you're most welcome to join in. But as I mentioned in another post, if you participate in a public forum, you can't expect to remain in isolation. You're entering into a social situation and are expected to utilise some social skills.
Sure, this is a brilliant venue for you guys to all meet and catch up. But don't forget that you're going to be relating intimately and exclusively with each over the next three years; this forum is a great chance to not lose touch with reality, and to relate to the outside world.
I'm sure this wasn't your intention, but it seems a bit rude to enter a public domain, then attempt to shut it out.



> As we do live in a market driven, capitalist society the
> increase in WAAPA activity on this site may possibly be a
> good argument for adding a new forum classification in which
> people that weren't interested wouldn't have to wade through
> the pages of babble we leave for them. Just an idea, anyone
> know how we go about petitioning this?


How many WAAPA students are there currently? In all years, in all classes? I'll be conservative and guess 300, although I think it's probably far less.
How many people visit this site? Hard to tell, but the site gets around 550 visits a DAY.
In a market driven, capitalist analogy - you lose.


If you guys really just want a forum to talk amongst yourselves, then I'd have to agree with Showzfan...it would make much more sense to go away and establish your own. But I hope you choose not to. You all have interesting stuff to contribute, and you're in the right place to discuss it.
But as a community website, Theatre Australia aims to be inclusive, not elitist. That's why it exists: to share. If you're going to contribute, you need to be mindful of this.



> There is also the other debate, which is: If your not
> interested, don;t read it.

This argument has been used before, but the logic doesn't stand up to practical application. How do you know whether you're interested or not until after you've read it? Once you've read something that isn't appropriate for a public forum, how do you UN-read it?
If you're a visitor to this site, you already have an interest in public discussion about theatre. You've come here to read what is being offered. When you find your time has been wasted by private conversation that is not really appropriate for a public forum, all you can do is express your disappointment and point out a more appropriate way of going about it.


> But I do see both sides.

Hopefully, if you continue to banter with me on this forum, I'll be able to show you that merely considering TWO sides is seeing things from a rather limited perspective...!


Cheers,

Craig

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Wow....I'm really sorry guys... i think i might have started a little bitty spot of cufuffle on this website.... Gosh, i never ever meant to make anyone angry and annoyed. My mum always says that if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all, and i think that's a great way for us all to make friends.... Gosh, when Stingray went to jail cos his silly billy brother Dylan was naughty, do you think he held a grudge foreva??? lets not all be like Harold and hold grudges on the Paul Robinson's just cos they think and say different things in the "public forum"... Me and Sharon both think that this whole thing is like that time Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake got naughty on stage at those American TV Awards... Yah sure, Janet Jackson made a boob of herself, but, like, gosh, you only have to look at shows like Big Brother, Kath and Kim and The Biggest Loser to see more horrific nudity than that.... Janet is proud of her body and wants everyone to see, and i think that's great! Imagine if she didn't show her boobies on stage, and instead decided to become more "body conscious" like Nicole Ritchie and Lindsay Lohan, and subsequently developed an eating disorder....? I think that way back when Linsay and Nicole first appeared in the "public forum", when people labelled them "fat", they too should have got their boobies out and waved them in the faces of everyone who told them to "trim down" for the Hollywood image... Gosh, when i make it in theatre and get a lead role in Kath and Kim or Neighbours, or a Grease spectacular, I'm not gonna care about people who tell me to "trim down" or "be conservative". I'm going to find that metaphoric stage, stand upon it, and bare my chest and wiggle my bootie until every single member of the self-righteous brigade of successful failures leaves the auditorium dripping in their own sense of humbled silence.

So in response to the previous two posts, I believe that by asking us "annoying MT students" to leave this forum, and fundamentally arguing that this is a "public forum" with no room for "exclusivity" or "closed discourse", you exercise contradictory principles. By asking us to find another avenue of discussion, you are practising the very social mores you deplore... As this is a microcosm of a larger public network, it is unjust and unrealistic to expect a forum without diversity; both in the demonstration of opinions and the acceptance of minority sects. The very nature of a "forum" is the assurance of the right to freedom of speech, free flow of discussion and immunity from prejudice. I do not expect you to alter your social values, and I do not expect to be asked to alter mine.... I say, allow this forum to roll along. Accept there will be differing opinions and congratulate those with the will to speak up. If you don't like something, by all means post your alternative, but refrain from right-wing ambition and never, ever tell someone they should find another forum for their discussion.... Every guest to this site owns just as much validity as the next.

OH and hey, did you guys know that, like, the Aussie Open starts this week!!!! Andy Roddick is sooooo hot! hehe

Totally yours forver,

Sally D.

SALLY D wrote:
>
> So in response to the previous two posts, I believe that by
> asking us "annoying MT students" to leave this forum, and
> fundamentally arguing that this is a "public forum" with no
> room for "exclusivity" or "closed discourse", you exercise
> contradictory principles. By asking us to find another avenue
> of discussion, you are practising the very social mores you
> deplore... As this is a microcosm of a larger public network,
> it is unjust and unrealistic to expect a forum without
> diversity; both in the demonstration of opinions and the
> acceptance of minority sects. The very nature of a "forum" is
> the assurance of the right to freedom of speech, free flow of
> discussion and immunity from prejudice. I do not expect you
> to alter your social values, and I do not expect to be asked
> to alter mine.... I say, allow this forum to roll along.
> Accept there will be differing opinions and congratulate
> those with the will to speak up. If you don't like something,
> by all means post your alternative, but refrain from
> right-wing ambition and never, ever tell someone they should
> find another forum for their discussion.... Every guest to
> this site owns just as much validity as the next.


I really didn't understand your first paragraph, but I'm all in favour of everyone baring their chest....


If you think there are contradictory principles in my last post and the one that came before it, you're probably right, because I don't claim to agree with everything the previous author said. This isn't an 'us' vs 'them' situation; I've already said I believe there are many sides to an argument.

I don't think I've been contradictory in my OWN statements...? (...No. Just read back through this thread...I still agree with myself).

I HAVEN'T been advocating that you leave this forum, in fact I've been encouraging you to trade banter with me and others here. I've been asking you to include the wider public in your conversation, much for the same reasons you offer - 'free flow of discussion'.
And I DO argue that this is a public forum. By definition, there can't be exclusivity...your conversations are open to everyone, and people are joining in as soon as you post, either as readers or further contributors. So it seems silly to be attempting to be an exclusive club (as Janty was petitioning in one post).
I also DO advocate diversity, demonstration of differing opinions, immunity from prejudice, and acceptance of minority groups.
So we don't really differ much, do we? Why do I get the impression you think you're being attacked?

I did take issue with the amount of elite, 'in' joke, wanky kind of conversations that offered no humour or relevance to the community reading these forums. My objections were on the grounds that it tended to be disrespectful to those users who (we agree) have equal validity in being here. But hey, it was just my opinion, and I welcome any opposing argument.

Cheers,
Craig

SALLY D wrote:
>
> Wow....I'm really sorry guys... i think i might have started
> a little bitty spot of cufuffle on this website.... Gosh, i
> never ever meant to make anyone angry and annoyed. My mum
> always says that if you don't have anything nice to say then
> don't say anything at all, and i think that's a great way for
> us all to make friends.... Gosh, when Stingray went to jail
> cos his silly billy brother Dylan was naughty, do you think
> he held a grudge foreva??? lets not all be like Harold and
> hold grudges on the Paul Robinson's just cos they think and
> say different things in the "public forum"... Me and Sharon
> both think that this whole thing is like that time Janet
> Jackson and Justin Timberlake got naughty on stage at those
> American TV Awards... Yah sure, Janet Jackson made a boob of
> herself, but, like, gosh, you only have to look at shows like
> Big Brother, Kath and Kim and The Biggest Loser to see more
> horrific nudity than that.... Janet is proud of her body and
> wants everyone to see, and i think that's great! Imagine if
> she didn't show her boobies on stage, and instead decided to
> become more "body conscious" like Nicole Ritchie and Lindsay
> Lohan, and subsequently developed an eating disorder....? I
> think that way back when Linsay and Nicole first appeared in
> the "public forum", when people labelled them "fat", they too
> should have got their boobies out and waved them in the faces
> of everyone who told them to "trim down" for the Hollywood
> image... Gosh, when i make it in theatre and get a lead role
> in Kath and Kim or Neighbours, or a Grease spectacular, I'm
> not gonna care about people who tell me to "trim down" or "be
> conservative". I'm going to find that metaphoric stage, stand
> upon it, and bare my chest and wiggle my bootie until every
> single member of the self-righteous brigade of successful
> failures leaves the auditorium dripping in their own sense of
> humbled silence.


This is a joke right? A bit of incredibly sarcastic banter? Please tell me it's sarcasm.

Melissa

Ok... now if we took a pole on this website of what the general public thought, the whole thing would be considered in jokes and conversations about things they don't know about, don't care about and aren't interested in. This whole website is a small subset of the community. It is then divided into 6 different sections, so that the small subset of people, from the total population who log on to this website only have to read what they feel is the relevant section.

And your argument is that a public forum can't have exclusivity?

Interesting... so we're only supposed to be reading one section? Damn, and here's me browsing through all the sections, not just the ones I have previous first-hand experience of. Sorry, I'll try to confine myself to... er... one of them.... once I figure out which one I'm supposed to be in....

Okay, sarcasm aside, personally I think that ALL sections of this forum have the potential to be both interesting and relevant to the majority of visitors of this website. For example, I've never done backstage work, but I find it really interesting to know what goes on back there, and knowing such makes me far more respectful of the demands on those who do.

And whilst the majority of people on this forum have very likely had more theatrical training and experience than I, and I have no intention of telling them how to suck eggs, I do object to the idea that I'm not allowed to read what they've written, and maybe even learn something. At the very least, it's an exercise in "putting yourself in the other man's shoes" - surely a valuable skill for every actor...?

To be honest, I do think the original "WAAPA students should get off this forum" comments seemed inappropriate, but then again I hadn't read the "personal" and/or "wanky" posts (nb: others' adjectives, not mine) that preceded it, so I can't comment on them, and I have no intention of doing so.

What I am saying is this: No, I don't think you can have exclusivity on a (by definition) PUBLIC forum, and neither do I think you should want it. If exclusivity is what you're after, you're welcome to start your own password-protected forum elsewhere. If a free and lively exchange of ideas (and criticism, and yes, smart comments) from all sectors of the theatrical community is what you're after, then you're in the right place - and you're welcome - and it's happening as we type - so what exactly is the question being argued...?

SALLY D wrote:

>Me and Sharon both think that this whole thing is like that time Janet >Jackson and Justin Timberlake got naughty on stage at those >American TV Awards...

Hi Sally, I just wanted to correct you on this small paraghraph. This whole incident happend at the American Super Boll. Not at an Awards show. Of all people I thought you would be the one who was up to date with everthing the celebs get up to. =)

Cya.

Wow,
It would appear that some people have way too much time on their hands. I mean, fair enough if youÂ’re residing in an isolated crevice on our wide brown Continent and have little else to do, but if youÂ’re living in a more cosmopolitan locale then why the need for incessant ravings?
While IÂ’m here, I would like to briefly point out that for someone who takes pride in their dissemination of other peoples writings it would appear you have made a small error of your own...ironic really!
In fact the word conservative as you would know being of superior intelligence to the rest of us, stands to mean: Moderate; cautious: i.e a conservative estimate
where upon
crgwllms wrote:

> How many WAAPA students are there currently? In all years, in
> all classes? I'll be conservative and guess 300, although I
> think it's probably far less.

In fact your estimate being of a higher ratio than that which you would expect, would make your estimate a liberal estimate, not a conservative estimate! Conservative being a metonym, as it were in this context, as you would also no doubt be aware!

Liberal, meaning: Generous in amount; ample: i.e a liberal estimate

On that note,
Love to all my fellow MT's
Sincerely,
A recent Grad.!

hrm...comedy tonight...who could you be? Just so everyone knows....i am in a small hole in the earth....thats why i have nothing better to do than play on the net....weeeeeeee...Marp.

marp marp. This is all so amusing. Keep up the shirtiness everyone, I love it.

Shannyn,

I am in no way implying that I would like our conversations to be private. By posting them on here we are opening ourselves up for public scrutiny.

This is just a response to people saying that we are posting that we are filling up the forum with crap!

So lets all just be happy.

crgwllms : give us another topic to debate.... see if you can come up with something as equally controversial!!

If we took a pole on this website, we could fly a flag... or get our Polish friends in on the act as well. Perhaps it would be better to survey people's opinion?

comedy tonight wrote:
>
> Wow,
> It would appear that some people have way too much time on
> their hands. I mean, fair enough if youÂ’re residing in an
> isolated crevice on our wide brown Continent and have little
> else to do, but if youÂ’re living in a more cosmopolitan
> locale then why the need for incessant ravings?
> While IÂ’m here, I would like to briefly point out that for
> someone who takes pride in their dissemination of other
> peoples writings it would appear you have made a small error
> of your own...ironic really!
> In fact the word conservative as you would know being of
> superior intelligence to the rest of us, stands to mean:
> Moderate; cautious: i.e a conservative estimate
> where upon
> crgwllms wrote:
>
> > How many WAAPA students are there currently? In all years, in
> > all classes? I'll be conservative and guess 300, although I
> > think it's probably far less.
>
> In fact your estimate being of a higher ratio than that which
> you would expect, would make your estimate a liberal
> estimate, not a conservative estimate! Conservative being a
> metonym, as it were in this context, as you would also no
> doubt be aware!
>
> Liberal, meaning: Generous in amount; ample: i.e a liberal
> estimate
>
> On that note,
> Love to all my fellow MT's
> Sincerely,
> A recent Grad.!


G'day 'Comedy Tonight'. Thanks for that! You've restored my faith in Uni students...at last someone who can spell, argue, give as good as they get, put me in my place, and knows what 'irony' and even 'metonyms' are!


Why the need for incessant ravings?

It's fun.
It keeps me entertained.
Why not?

I could very well ask the same (and frequently do) of much else that goes on around here, like the conversations that prompted the start of this thread. I thought Janty hit the nail on its noggin when he/she said,

> not only is (banter) entertaining, it is a way of constantly keeping
> your imagination fresh, increasing your vocabularly and a good
> exercise in lateral thinking. Kind of like debating a useless topic just
> for the intellectual exercise.


Having too much time on my hands? I guess I do. After rehearsing full-time during the week and learning lines after hours for the Barking Gecko show I'm in for PIAF; working weekends as an entertainer at the zoo; Saturday nights musician at the Big Hoo-Haa; I've almost finished sanding and polishing the floorboards in my new house; writing a song to use at the Finley Awards I'm hosting this weekend; and I caught up socially with several mates on both Friday and Saturday night...sometimes I just need to take some time off for mindless entertainment, and surprisingly enough I often find some here. Probably helps that I don't have a TV at present, although I've watched a couple of DVDs this week on my computer.
What are you getting done with your free time?



As far as my word choice; well picked up, but I don't think you got the right context. My use of 'conservative' was not to do with the figure I was quoting, but in how 'safe' and 'cautious' I was being in presenting my argument. If I'd have estimated an extremely low number, there would have been a good case for someone to say I was fudging figures to prove my point. So I played it safe, and guessed a larger number than I believe is actually true. As the cautious over-estimate still proved my point conclusively, any lower actual figure would even strengthen my analogy.

'Liberal', though, would probably have been a better, less ambiguous word choice. Thanks.


Cheers,
Craig

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Janty wrote:

> Ok... now if we took a pole on this website of what the general public
> thought, the whole thing would be considered in jokes and
> conversations about things they don't know about, don't care about
> and aren't interested in. This whole website is a small subset of the
> community. It is then divided into 6 different sections, so that the
> small subset of people, from the total population who log on to this
> website only have to read what they feel is the relevant section.

> And your argument is that a public forum can't have exclusivity?


and

> Shannyn,
>
> I am in no way implying that I would like our conversations
> to be private. By posting them on here we are opening
> ourselves up for public scrutiny.
>
> This is just a response to people saying that we are posting
> that we are filling up the forum with crap!
>
> So lets all just be happy.
>
> crgwllms : give us another topic to debate.... see if you can
> come up with something as equally controversial!!




Can't improve on Shannyn's response as far as the 'exclusivity' argument. The fact that this website is divided into sections makes it vaguely more useful as far as organising information and finding it again, but the truth is, many good conversations are posted in the 'wrong' forum, or they soon get branches which are considered off-topic. We actually did a poll a few years ago to try and determine which forums were read by the most users, and a large percentage of visitors browse everywhere. The majority also read most of the site, perhaps visiting 'tech talk' and 'theatre classifieds' less often.
It's hard to judge exactly how many people read the information here simply by counting the posted responses. It has become quite apparent that there is a huge pool of readers out there who don't necessarily contribute their own postings. And some of them come from quite respected positions in the arts community. We should all be aware that stray comments and attitudes may be noted by people we are likely to be employed by in future...

'Crap' is a value judgement, and is totally subjective. Anyone can have an opinion, but that's all it is, an opinion.
My personal opinion is: I'm happy with the outcome of this thread. I'm glad to have such an interest taken in the website by the students at WAAPA; if you guys can sift through my crap, I'm sure you'll find this site an invaluable resource, and I welcome your contributions. The discussion has opened out to include many more users of this site, and has become a damn 'site' more interesting. My work here is done.


A new topic of debate, Janty?....okay. Let's put it in a new thread.

Cheers,
Craig

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hi fele

just wanted to point out its the American Super BOWL not boll. (oh and this isnt supposed to be rude)

chaz

Ok seriously lets MOVE ON people....everyone has said what they want to say (especially craig...god i get tired just reading your replies! how do you find the time?!) anyway lets move AWAY from waapa and all the trouble we've caused its getting sooooooooooo old and i really only have one word to say :

BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we please talk about something else???

charity wrote:
>
> Ok seriously lets MOVE ON people....everyone has said what
> they want to say (especially craig...god i get tired just
> reading your replies!



Good call. I've moved on. Sorry you had to wake up just to reply one more time.

A topic only ends when no one wants to believe in it anymore. Sooner or later it'll fade away, if you let it.


crg

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I agree with Craig,
Sorry Katie?
i mean... Charity!

hey whats up and what is your web site all about ? and weres are janet and justin