question about romeo and juliet
Tue, 12 Oct 2004, 08:04 amWalter Plinge13 posts in thread
question about romeo and juliet
Tue, 12 Oct 2004, 08:04 amWhat in your words does "star-cross'd lovers" mean?
Fate accompli
Fri, 27 May 2005, 02:24 ammelissa18 wrote:
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> i need an example in r&j that they are firm believers in fate
> can anyone help?
Why do I get the feeling you want someone to do your homework for you?
I actually don't think they ARE firm believers in fate. I can't find any real evidence for Juliet, anyway. She makes up her own mind about what she does, and although she may feel treated unfairly by the fates, she seems in full control of the decisions she makes.
Romeo seems more guided by the fates, feeling he can not change the course of events, that is, BEFORE he meets Juliet:
ROMEO
my mind misgives
Some consequence yet hanging in the stars
Shall bitterly begin his fearful date
With this night's revels and expire the term
Of a despised life closed in my breast
By some vile forfeit of untimely death.
But He, that hath the steerage of my course,
Direct my sail! On, lusty gentlemen.
Later on he says, "I am fortune's fool", convincing himself that the fates have forced him into the wretched state of causing Tybalt and Mercutio's death.
But really, everything else he does in the course of his love for Juliet is defying the fates rather than subscribing to them...in fact if he accepted fate and didn't then suicide over Juliet's body, the play would have had a happy ending.
Many classical tragedies (Oedipus, MacBeth, etc..) are actually about proud individuals who try to defy their fate...the irony being that they usually bring about the fate they wish to avoid. But these are examples of NOT believing or trusting in fate.
Therefore I reckon your premise is unfounded.
For more examples, read the play yourself!
Cheers,
Craig
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> i need an example in r&j that they are firm believers in fate
> can anyone help?
Why do I get the feeling you want someone to do your homework for you?
I actually don't think they ARE firm believers in fate. I can't find any real evidence for Juliet, anyway. She makes up her own mind about what she does, and although she may feel treated unfairly by the fates, she seems in full control of the decisions she makes.
Romeo seems more guided by the fates, feeling he can not change the course of events, that is, BEFORE he meets Juliet:
ROMEO
my mind misgives
Some consequence yet hanging in the stars
Shall bitterly begin his fearful date
With this night's revels and expire the term
Of a despised life closed in my breast
By some vile forfeit of untimely death.
But He, that hath the steerage of my course,
Direct my sail! On, lusty gentlemen.
Later on he says, "I am fortune's fool", convincing himself that the fates have forced him into the wretched state of causing Tybalt and Mercutio's death.
But really, everything else he does in the course of his love for Juliet is defying the fates rather than subscribing to them...in fact if he accepted fate and didn't then suicide over Juliet's body, the play would have had a happy ending.
Many classical tragedies (Oedipus, MacBeth, etc..) are actually about proud individuals who try to defy their fate...the irony being that they usually bring about the fate they wish to avoid. But these are examples of NOT believing or trusting in fate.
Therefore I reckon your premise is unfounded.
For more examples, read the play yourself!
Cheers,
Craig
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