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Someone Stop Claude

Tue, 8 Feb 2005, 07:42 pm
Walter Plinge41 posts in thread
I reckon this has gone far enough. If someone doesn't put a stop to this Claude McNamara then i will notify the authorities. It seems that every time a young girl asks for work, he's there. As a perfect example: there is a post from a young girl 13 wanting a job in acting/modeling. The only person to reply is none other than Claude and he states and i quote "I need someone your age to model a product for me.
If you are interested E-mail me with enquiries and a photo at Claude_McNamara@hotmail.com

I hope to meet you soon and make your drem come tru!

Claude"

Now this coming from the guy who was just looking for young 13-17 year old girls to act in his motion picture with the chance of being noticed by hollywood. Get help Claude and get off this site.

Thread (41 posts)

Walter PlingeTue, 8 Feb 2005, 07:42 pm
I reckon this has gone far enough. If someone doesn't put a stop to this Claude McNamara then i will notify the authorities. It seems that every time a young girl asks for work, he's there. As a perfect example: there is a post from a young girl 13 wanting a job in acting/modeling. The only person to reply is none other than Claude and he states and i quote "I need someone your age to model a product for me.
If you are interested E-mail me with enquiries and a photo at Claude_McNamara@hotmail.com

I hope to meet you soon and make your drem come tru!

Claude"

Now this coming from the guy who was just looking for young 13-17 year old girls to act in his motion picture with the chance of being noticed by hollywood. Get help Claude and get off this site.
CrispianTue, 8 Feb 2005, 10:20 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude - Mr Malcolm?

Grant - would love to hear your thoughts on this matter.
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 05:28 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude

I agree it does sound a bit suss. I mean seriously everytime some young girl says they want work he's says "oh im looking for someone just like you- your just what im looking for" etc and i can make your dreams come true.

As I said before no offense but when he says its a "high budget company" wouldn't they have their own email server and not use a free hotmail account?
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 06:55 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude

Fine, I'm gone. You'll never see me on this forum again.

I personally apologize to anyone who I have iritated through my actions

Claude.
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 07:25 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude

hey,

how do we know claude has really gone, hmmm? it ain't that hard to change an email. and, for the record, i have two email accounts and neither one is claude mcnamara.

mick
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 07:39 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude

hello claude...

guess you haven't gone...
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 07:44 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude

I can tell you that he is gone, because Ii just got off the phone with him.
I had employed him to do some casting for me. Then he began complaining of abuse on this site, so he has decided to go back to his home in the chzech Republic. I offer my apologies and I realize now that he may have upset some people. But if we can't bring people into our film industry how will our film industry ever grow. I apologize once more and assure you he isn't working for me anymore.

Steve Johnson (Production manager Fox studios Australia) - Assigned to the production 'Arameus the Vampire'
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 07:45 pm

where's wally

in explanation of above email

caught claude the ped in the act, scouring for his next victim. vampire movie...aye, very good.

mick
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 07:46 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude

i reckon this is a certain wacky director that i know...

ya big geek
Walter PlingeWed, 9 Feb 2005, 07:56 pm

Re: Someone Stop Claude

claudette,

yer takin to long to come up with some more crap patter. i'm away home now and i'm takin ma ball with me. have a good nite, and see ya around...

everybody...don't call the cops yet.

m
Grant MalcolmWed, 9 Feb 2005, 09:21 pm

Re: thought for the day

Crispian wrote:
> Grant - would love to hear your thoughts on this matter.

I really haven't had time to follow Claude's antics.

John Jenkins wrote:
> I reckon this has gone far enough. If someone doesn't put a stop to
> this Claude McNamara then i will notify the authorities. It seems that
> every time a young girl asks for work, he's there.

The last time I checked, there was nothing illegal in this. In fact, Claude may well be entirely above board.

Certainly if John or anyone else feels that there is something going on that warrants investigation, I heartily encourage them to approach the relevant authorities. I have and will continue to offer every assistance I can to the police to ensure that the free services available on this site are not abused.

However I will not participate in potentially libellous speculation about someone else's motives or a vigilante mob attempting to run someone out of town.

That said, it does strike me as kind of strange that Claude shares the same internet address (i.e. computer) as our Apologetic "Steve Johnson (Production manager Fox studios Australia)"

Cheers
Grant

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Bass GuyWed, 9 Feb 2005, 10:35 pm

Re: where's wally

mick maintained:

> caught claude the ped in the act, scouring for his next victim. vampire movie...aye, very good.

WHOA!!! STOP!!! Right this second.

Be VERY careful here, guys... however intentioned the "ped" reference may be (be it humourous or sardonic) you are on very thin ice using such terminology on a forum such as this. This kind of comment could be construed as vilification/harassment/slander/libel/etc.

Two names; Michael Jackson, Pete Townshend. Think about it.

El
CrispianThu, 10 Feb 2005, 12:57 am

Re: Someone Stop Claude

Ok....

As Grant mentioned, it IS strangely coincidental that Claude and 'Apologetic' both have the same email suffixes. Surely Mr Steve Johnson would have some kind of email suffix referring to 'foxstudios.com.au' or something. I admit that it is very presumptious of me but still, a logical conclusion that needs to be considered.

This is the ITA website peoples. Independent Theatre Association. Its a website for AMATEUR/COMMUNITY/INDEPENDENT THEATRE. If our own professional theatre companies in Perth don't use this website to cast their shows....why on earth would some idiot called CLAUDE McNAMARA from the CZECH REPUBLIC be hired by a MAJOR production studio like FOX STUDIOS cast on this website!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Lets be realistic here. The ITA website will never be a primary choice for casting agents anywhere. SHOWCAST and AT2 are two perfectly good resources for casting agents and there are plenty of 13-17yos on there who are also all attached to agents. In no way would a casting agent be required to go on a community theatre website to find young children. It wouldn't be ethical in my opinion.

This is obviously a joke by someone who has been lurking on this website. Fine, ok, its a joke - haha nice one. Whats disturbing is that this person is targeting young girls. Now it raises the question, is this person just joking or is it something more sinister? We'll never know and thats what scary on the internet.

Grant, I've read all the posts about moderation and free speech and I completely understand everyone's and your views on the matter. I have no doubt that you will assist the authorities if they investigate but lets be realistic....when do the authorities usually come in? WHEN ITS TOO LATE.

Do you want on your conscience, the possibilty that a criminal act may have resulted from the use of this website?

I don't have a solution but perhaps there are measures that we can take to prevent 'opportunistic' predators. Maybe compulsory registering of email accounts before posting? It stops newbies posting willy nilly.

Claude McNamara may very well be real and his motives well-intended but I think the nature of his postings have exposed a potentially sinister opportunity for 'real' predators to prey on our youngsters.





Crispy.
crgwllmsThu, 10 Feb 2005, 03:02 am

Re: Reality Czech

Apologetic wrote:
>
> I can tell you that he is gone, because Ii just got off the
> phone with him.
> I had employed him to do some casting for me. Then he began
> complaining of abuse on this site, so he has decided to go
> back to his home in the chzech Republic. I offer my apologies
> and I realize now that he may have upset some people. But if
> we can't bring people into our film industry how will our
> film industry ever grow. I apologize once more and assure you
> he isn't working for me anymore.
>
> Steve Johnson (Production manager Fox studios Australia) -
> Assigned to the production 'Arameus the Vampire'



Is this the same Steve Johnson who was the Managing Director of 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment in Australia... responsible for the promotion and release of their DVDs? When did you change departments?

You of all people should know that we have far stricter employment visa regulations in Australia than to allow passing Czechs to wander in and start casting feature films in their spare time before they have to get on the plane home.
And our film industry won't grow simply by adding people..! What made you come up with that thought?? It requires legitimate films being made of a professional standard, not random calls for unrepresented young girls from an amateur performers' theatre website..! You're right, someone IS abusing this site...so I'm glad he's decided to go home before the culprit was revealed.

A search for 'Arameus' and 'Vampire' comes up with several sites that are to do with a hardcore metallic punk band from the UK called Arameus... so your idea's already been taken, I'm afraid. Maybe you can come up with an alternative film title, like "Salieri and his Were-Wolf gang"...?



I'm glad you are Apologetic, because I was under the impression you were something else that also rhymes...


Cheers
Craig

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Grant MalcolmThu, 10 Feb 2005, 01:40 pm

Re: Someone Else?

Hi Crispian

Crispian wrote:
> This is the ITA website peoples. Independent Theatre
> Association. Its a website for AMATEUR/COMMUNITY/INDEPENDENT
> THEATRE.

If you check the home page, it's a bit broader than that.

ITA members and members of member companies probably make up 2-3% of the traffic on the site. Maybe a bit more than that actually posting on the message boards.

For the last four years contributions from across the theatre sector and the country have been welcomed. Most companies in Perth, professional or amateur, promote their shows here if not their auditions.

Film auditions? I guess it's likely to interest some of the audience on this site. I don't hear many complaints about them being posted unless people start flooding the boards. I know some of the low budget, local work (esp. student films) have been cast almost exclusively from this site.

> Grant, I've read all the posts about moderation and free
> speech and I completely understand everyone's and your views
> on the matter. I have no doubt that you will assist the
> authorities if they investigate but lets be realistic....when
> do the authorities usually come in? WHEN ITS TOO LATE.
>
> Do you want on your conscience, the possibilty that a
> criminal act may have resulted from the use of this website?

Have you personally called the police and reported your concerns?

No?

How's your conscience?

:-)

This isn't a question of conscience it's a case of taking responsible steps to provide a relatively safe virtual environment. And I would emphasize that that is a responsibility we all share.

We're all capable of making judgements and all have responsibility for acting on our own judgements.

I've taken a number of steps to try and steer some of the younger people using the site in more constructive and useful directions, as have the ITA. I'll continue to revise strategies in this area and am happy to consider other suggestions. Speaking of which...

> I don't have a solution but perhaps there are measures that
> we can take to prevent 'opportunistic' predators. Maybe
> compulsory registering of email accounts before posting? It
> stops newbies posting willy nilly.

Compulsory registration will do nothing to discourage, in your words, "opportunistic predators".

Free, relatively anonymous email addresses are a dime a (hundred) dozen. Registration will be a hindrance to the casual contributor but no hindrance to the serial pest.

A quick survey of this site a few months back revealed that some of the most persistent "willy nilly" posters _are_ among the 2,200+ registered users on the site.

Perhaps the most effective measure we can take are redirection and education.

Anyone arriving at this site from google with a search including the words "teen" or "year" is treated to a prominent message redirecting younger visitors to information targetted specifically at them:

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=teen+theatre+australia&btnG=Search&meta=

I'm not sure how educational that message is.... sorry crg!

You'll also have noticed that I've made a point of notifying people on a regular basis that the privacy apparently afforded by an anonymous or assumed name posting is illusory at best. We're logging sufficient information such that police should be able to track down anyone using the site with relative ease. Perhaps drawing this to the attention of some individuals might afford them just the required amount of discouragement?

Cheers
Grant

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crgwllmsThu, 10 Feb 2005, 02:47 pm

Re: Someone Else?

Grant Malcolm wrote:
>
> Anyone arriving at this site from google with a search
> including the words "teen" or "year" is treated to a
> prominent message redirecting younger visitors to information
> targetted specifically at them:
>

> I'm not sure how educational that message is.... sorry crg!



Me neither. I still stand by what I said, but I reckon it could do with an edit, and ...shock! horror!... I noticed a typo !



I tend to agree with what you've said in the post above, Grant. Mass-regulation (ie readers drawing attention to the dodgy operators until they justify themselves or go away) seems to be relatively effective. People DO read the various threads, and it soon becomes obvious who can or can't be trusted with good information.
There is a danger perhaps of the self-righteous being too quick to condemn, but hopefully it will also encourage people on all sides of an argument to be more responsible about what they post.

Cheers
Craig
CrispianThu, 10 Feb 2005, 06:16 pm

Re: Someone Else?

>Have you personally called the police and reported your concerns?
>
>No?
>
>How's your conscience?

Ahhh! But I'm not an administrator of this website. :) I'd definitely take action if I was.

I completely agree with you on the redirection and education and thats why I believe this website needs an overhaul with its design.

There are forums around on the Internet where posters must register themselves first, legitimise it by activating an account through their email account (some even restrict it that you can't use hotmail accounts to activate an account) and at the same time they must read the terms and conditions on participating on the website.

Some forums also have the facility of putting 'sticky' posts at the top of each forum room where readers can access useful FAQs rather than have to search through each thread.

By the way, if you google "Auditions theatre australia" - you miss the re-direction to the info targeting young people. Also, "auditions film australia" misses the young peoples info.

I don't mean to sound self-righteous about this whole thing but child abuse hits a raw nerve with me. Just look at the front page of today's newspaper. Kids sexually abused in a hospital. Of course now all doctors and nurses will have to go through rigorous checks before they can work there.

Is that being to heavy handed? Invasion of privacy? Or is it just common sense?

Is "Sorry, we'll try harder next time." good enough for the kids who were already abused at PMH?



Crispy.
Walter PlingeThu, 10 Feb 2005, 07:04 pm

Re: Reality Czech

Everyone on this site.

I am very sorry but this has gone on long enough.
I am a teenage boy from brisbane who was bored one night and decided to do this. Claude is a character that I made up for a movie I wrote.
I didn't realize that this site is so important to so many people. I am very sorry to those who I have upset by my actions.
This is a hoax I have used to hone my acting and charcter skills.
I am so sorry and have definately learnt my lesson.
I am so sorry and will never do this again.
I think that my hoax has back-fired and has now gone too far.
I hope that my heartfelt apology and regrets are enough to compensate for my actions.
I had no intention for this to go so far.
Please don't call the authorities on me! I'm only fifteen!

I'm so sorry about the trouble I've caused.
slightlybemusedThu, 10 Feb 2005, 07:12 pm

Re: Reality Czech

....

Bloody hell.

~K

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Grant MalcolmThu, 10 Feb 2005, 08:53 pm

That Someone is You!

Hi Crispian

Crispian wrote:
> Grant wrote:
> >Have you personally called the police and reported your concerns?
> >No?
> >How's your conscience?
>
> Ahhh! But I'm not an administrator of this website. :) I'd
> definitely take action if I was.

I fail to see the difference.

If you were administrator, whatever that means, you'd call the police, because you're not, you won't?

Hey! Someone just threw a brick through my neighbour's window and is loading their furniture into a van!

I won't call the police, it's not my house.

%)

> I completely agree with you on the redirection and education
> and thats why I believe this website needs an overhaul with
> its design.

Bring it on!

:-)

You may have noticed I've had a content management system (CMS) with suggested site framework in place for a couple of years now that's not progressed anywhere.

http://web.theatre.asn.au/

I've suggested to the ITA and a few other people that we probably need to get a stakeholder/steering group together in order to guide development to the next level. I've just not had the energy on top of everything else to tackle this alone but it won't take much to get me going.

Drop me a line or give me a call on 0401 216 962 and let's catch up and go over the options.

(Yes, i do hand out my phone number online. Anyone can look it up in the whitepages, I'd sooner save people the effort.)

> There are forums around on the Internet where posters must
> register themselves first, legitimise it by activating an
> account through their email account (some even restrict it
> that you can't use hotmail accounts to activate an account)
> and at the same time they must read the terms and conditions
> on participating on the website.

Sorry, I believe you're barking up entirely the wrong tree with the call for self registration.

As I indicated earlier, a quick check of the pests posting on this site revealed that the majority of them _are_ registered.

Disclaimers, terms and conditions of use are of practically no value in limiting liability and certainly won't do anything to _prevent_ abuse - which seems to be one of your key objectives.

Do you think that people predisposed to abuse the services on this site are going to pause for a moment because we ask them to tick a box saying they've read that they're not allowed to be naughty?

There are certainly features for which we may want to require registration or some kind of login - we already have this with company and event listings and with registered user names. The CMS mentioned above would extend this into whole new areas with new administrator, editor, user manager, designer/developer roles.

But requiring registration for posts is simply putting an impediment in the way of people who are making useful contributions.

If we're to continue encouraging microinvestment in the tremendous social capital that has been acquired over the last few years, we need to keep barriers to participation as low as possible and provide a full range of graded opportunties for participation from entirely anonymous to those restricted to known individuals.

> Some forums also have the facility of putting 'sticky' posts
> at the top of each forum room where readers can access useful
> FAQs rather than have to search through each thread.

And on the company, audition, production, poll, news.... pages?

There are much better ways of going about this that needn't be limited by the feature set of any particular bulletin board package.

> By the way, if you google "Auditions theatre australia" - you
> miss the re-direction to the info targeting young people.
> Also, "auditions film australia" misses the young peoples info.

Er... precisely.

That will be because, as I said, we're currently only targetting searches with "teen" or "year" (as in "ten year old" or "14 year old") in them.

:-)

Maybe you'd prefer we inflicted my BLINK tags on everyone arriving from Google?

I feel bad enough about the poor people searching for Alan Seymour's The One Day Of The Year

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=One+Day+Of+The+year+site%3Atheatre.asn.au&btnG=Search

:-\

> I don't mean to sound self-righteous about this whole thing
> but child abuse hits a raw nerve with me.

Not enough of a nerve if you're only standing on the sidelines telling others what they should be doing about it.

Make that call. Will it be the police or me?

:-)

Cheers
Grant

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Walter PlingeThu, 10 Feb 2005, 10:02 pm

Re: where's wally

bass guy el,

don't worry about me getting sued. you just insinuated something libellous about two big names. claude the ped has about as much chance of sueing me as colonel mustard in the study with the candlestick. i think it was great that everyone got stuck in and sorted it out. working together as a theatre net community brought a wee tear to my eye. claude the ped is gone, but not forgotten. hold the front page...

mick

p.s. also, check my spelling of ped and you'll find that i covered myself
CrispianThu, 10 Feb 2005, 11:28 pm

Who me? Yes you!

I think we may be debating slightly different points. Sorry if i didn't make myself clear...but using your analogy...

"I hear a burglar is in the neighbourhood - hey neighbour, why don't put up some security screens on the windows?...BEFORE he burgles you?"

I guess I'm suggesting that there could be some additional exploration of measures to protect against unsavoury elements before something unsavoury occurs. The 'Claude' hoax just simply highlighted a perceived vulnerability with the nature of this site.

In regards to the 'terms and conditions', I used the wrong term, I'm referring to a set of 'protocols' that people must read before allowed to finish registration in regards to how auditions are posted, posting etiquette etc. We can educate people through making reading of protocols a step in registering. Which leads onto my google point - my point is that a teenager may possibly try 'audition film australia' first which negates your efforts with the re-direction. Perhaps that explains why we still get those teen posts popping up once in a while.



I don't believe that registration would be an impediment, as you've already pointed out - many people are registered on this site! But perhaps we can ensure that only legitimate email accounts are registered? If people are passionate about this website and the reasons for registration are explained, i believe people won't think it as an impedence.

And I will call you. ;)


Crispy.
Walter PlingeFri, 11 Feb 2005, 12:13 am

Just a hoax, eh?

Well, well, well now.

And if it has been a hoax as you state, like so many "pranks" it has backfired badly.

One can only hope that you have learned a VERY valuable lesson from this, and that you don't try similar tricks again on a large populous as such. By all means have a laugh with your mates and give each other a bit of a dig from time to time, but keep it at that scale.

As you have seen, things like that in today's society are not taken lightly.

If you really are that bored, get out and about in the local theatre scene where you are, and get an idea of what the people whom you have taken liberty with are like and how seriously they take it.
crgwllmsFri, 11 Feb 2005, 01:44 am

Re: yore a wolly

mick wrote:
>
> don't worry about me getting sued. you just insinuated
> something libellous about two big names. claude the ped has
> about as much chance of sueing me as colonel mustard in the
> study with the candlestick. i think it was great that
> everyone got stuck in and sorted it out. working together as
> a theatre net community brought a wee tear to my eye. claude
> the ped is gone, but not forgotten. hold the front page...
>
> mick
>
> p.s. also, check my spelling of ped and you'll find that i
> covered myself




Sorry Mick, I'm not certain you HAVE covered yourself...unless you mean you've covered yourself in egg or a less pleasant substance?

El has not committed any libel in mentioning the two celebrity names...he is drawing attention to relevant cases which are public knowledge, but he himself has formed no conclusions. In fact I think his point was to be WARY of conclusions that are made in public before the facts of the case are established and proved?

I don't believe your insistence that "ped" will not be construed to mean "paedophile" simply because you spelled it differently will hold any water should someone take it to court. The context of what you said is obvious enough, and you can't really argue that you intended to mean something else. Because there is no official abbreviation on the word 'paedophile', there are no rules as to how it ought to be spelled...so any attempt that can be understood will hold to mean what the context deems it to mean.

Also, the Merriam-Webster dictionary lists "pedophile" as a valid spelling (US). There goes your argument.

The one thing I think you're possibly right about is that you probably have nothing to fear from Claude...but that's no excuse to go down a similar path and upset the good readers here, is it?

Cheers
Craig
crgwllmsFri, 11 Feb 2005, 02:55 am

Re: the screening stage

Crispian wrote:

> I don't mean to sound self-righteous about this whole thing
> but child abuse hits a raw nerve with me. Just look at the
> front page of today's newspaper. Kids sexually abused in a
> hospital. Of course now all doctors and nurses will have to
> go through rigorous checks before they can work there.
>
> Is that being to heavy handed? Invasion of privacy? Or is it
> just common sense?
>
> Is "Sorry, we'll try harder next time." good enough for the
> kids who were already abused at PMH?
>


Hi Crispy.
It's not a pleasant issue and I understand your concerns. But how effective do you think these 'rigorous checks' are actually going to be? 'Sorry' is never good enough for a victim of a crime, but what does 'we'll try harder' mean? How hard? There will always be room for error, unless you reach the extreme point of total isolation...let NO doctors or nurses have any physical contact at all! And to reach this objective of guaranteeing no Bad can get in, how much Good are you keeping out?

You and I have had to go through police clearance checks before being allowed to work in schools for Barking Gecko...but all that means is the police found no record of us having been charged with a crime against children. It doesn't mean we haven't committed one, or that we won't. Just that no one can prove we ever have.

How is anyone really going to do effective screening until a crime is actually committed?

I'm also in two minds about the mentality that says 'once a criminal, always a criminal'...but that seems to be the way it works these days. These sorts of crimes are treated as an incurable sickness which you will never recover from...so god help anyone who wittingly allows themselves to go down that path; you will never finish paying for your crime. That might not be inappropriate, as one could argue that the victim will never finish paying either, for the crime committed against them. I just think it's sad that the concept of 'reform' seems to no longer exist.

But back to this site....what sort of screening measures would be appropriate or effective, if any? I don't see how anything is going to prove useful. Someone may pass through a screen BEFORE committing an offense. Someone who has already offended will surely be able to hide that fact...can we stop someone talking about theatre because they have a criminal record? And meanwhile everyone who is innocently going about their business will need to be subject to invasive screening.
I already find it annoying that the site periodically makes me log on again, virtually mid sentence (BTW, that's the answer to your question about the 'quote' button...it only appears if you've logged in with your registered name)...and I'm not someone who is particularly worried about being called to account for what I say. But I also defend the individual's right to post anonymously; I think some of the best discussions and most honest opinions are put forward when the author doesn't have to be worried about personal repercussions.


It's harsh, but I really think that anyone who responds to the sort of posts you are complaining about should be responsible for themselves. Let the buyer beware. Nobody's young and innocent anymore, that's a sad fact, but it also means that youth today are better informed and ought to be more aware of the dangers they are getting THEMSELVES into. If they're foolish enough to respond to something dodgy, I think they shoulder a good part of the blame.


Cheers
Craig
Bass GuyFri, 11 Feb 2005, 09:13 am

Re: yore a wolly

crgwllms correctly claims:

> ...he is drawing attention to relevant cases which are public knowledge, but he himself has formed no conclusions. In fact I think his point was to be WARY of conclusions that are made in public before the facts of the case are established and proved?

Exactly- it's dangerous nowadays to even hint these allegations, no matter how frivolous the intent. Cf: the Royal Perth Hospital news of the last few days.

El
Bass GuyFri, 11 Feb 2005, 09:28 am

Re: Reality Czech

Hee hee hee- here's a thought (one to take with a slice of lemon cake during high tea);

What if the apology is also a hoax?

El (who can't resist smacking a wasp's nest with a stick).
slightlybemusedFri, 11 Feb 2005, 03:00 pm

Re: Reality Czech

Beware the wasps.

~ Kia (who can't resist speaking in manner of fortune cookie)

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NaFri, 11 Feb 2005, 03:22 pm

Re: Who me? Yes you!

Ok, I've read the whole conversation now about more regulations, and I have a couple of points.

One - only being able to post with a 'registered email' (not hotmail) wouldn't be very helpful. First of all, that doesn't mean that someone isn't suspect, it just means that they pay money to be suspect. And for those of us (including kids who don't have their own personal account, or people without computers and internet at home) without a personal account, that just means we have no way of communicating.

Secondly, putting up 'protocols' - please, how many times do you read those 'I agree not to copywrite...' things when you download a file, or open Word...proven by millions upon millions of illegal pirating. Nobody reads those things, and even if they did, people who are suspect are not going to bother either obeying them or being deterred by them.

Thirdly, anything that you put in place will have a solution to it - in other words, it can be hacked. The internet comes with risks. Many of those risks include logging on, sending money and generally cookie-ing your way through information. There will never be a safe internet site. The best you can do is monitor it, and I applaud the comments and efforts of the site administrators. After all, there is only so much they can do in stopping anonymous postings by inexplicably ambigious people. For all we know this is a hoax.
crgwllmsFri, 11 Feb 2005, 04:05 pm

Re: Czech your story

Guilty teen wrote:
>
> Everyone on this site.
>
> I am very sorry but this has gone on long enough.
> I am a teenage boy from brisbane who was bored one night and
> decided to do this. Claude is a character that I made up for
> a movie I wrote.
> I didn't realize that this site is so important to so many
> people. I am very sorry to those who I have upset by my
> actions.
> This is a hoax I have used to hone my acting and charcter
> skills.
> I am so sorry and have definately learnt my lesson.
> I am so sorry and will never do this again.
> I think that my hoax has back-fired and has now gone too far.
> I hope that my heartfelt apology and regrets are enough to
> compensate for my actions.
> I had no intention for this to go so far.
> Please don't call the authorities on me! I'm only fifteen!
>
> I'm so sorry about the trouble I've caused.


No trouble. People saw through your previous messages, and aren't really buying this one either.

A declamatory apology coming from an anonymous prankster who keeps changing his username doesn't hold a lot of weight. You'll disappear and come back as someone else. However we appreciate that you've decided for now that you've been annoying and promise to stop.

As a 'hoax', it was a pretty poorly-thought-out one. Even if I believe your explanation that you are a 15 year old prankster and therefore ought to be forgiven, the concept of 'Claude being a character' is a pretty flimsy one. How far did you get in your characterisation for your 'movie script' before you decided to use him as a means to contact young women on this site promising them auditions? My guess is not too far at all. How's the movie coming along? Now that you've come up with the idea as your excuse, are you going to go back and actually consider it? Right.

I can't see how anything you've written here can 'hone and improve your acting and character skills'. Roleplaying online is a game of mental and linguistic skill, perhaps useful to a writer...but actually has nothing to do with the physical skills of acting a character. If you're sticking to this explanation, I think you have a poor understanding of acting.


Of course, I may be wrong about you - if so, forgive this cynic for not believing a word of it.


Cheers,
Craig

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Walter PlingeFri, 11 Feb 2005, 06:37 pm

Re: Just a hoax, eh?

Grm,

Thankyou. I am very sorry and i assure you, nothing like this will ever happen again.
Walter PlingeFri, 11 Feb 2005, 06:41 pm

Re: Czech your story

Craig,

I excpect you to be cynical and untrusting after what I have done.
As for the character of Claude he is exactly as i have written it.
I am a writer and writing 'acting skills' probably wasn't correct.
I realize what i did was wrong and ask for forgiveness.
Walter PlingeSat, 12 Feb 2005, 01:34 am

Re: Someone Stop Claude

guys,

there is nobody to sue me. most of you are actors who don't have any gigs never mind any money. and get a life...claude is not a fifteen year old! bass guy said first sensible thing all week by acknowledging the hoax. i reckon we all call it a day, and let claude the paedophile(there, i said it! so sue me) get on with the next thrilling installment of crappy scripts that are churned out on all too regular a basis in this beautiful sunburnt country, i would guess from claude the ped too.

moving on to something a little less boring instead.

and crispy, i agree with you, darlin! this is a serious matter that should be taken care of by whoever is organizing the site.

mick
Walter PlingeSat, 12 Feb 2005, 01:42 am

Re: Someone Stop Claude



arthur miller died. that tops off the day really, doesn't it?

mick
Walter PlingeSat, 12 Feb 2005, 10:48 am

Re: Someone Stop Claude

Just a word on all this

Although the onus should be on the poster of these 'auditions' ...most people can spot these a mile off. My daughter (like most young performers wants to grab every opportunity) but even when she was much younger than she is now(16) she can spot the dodgy stuff a mile away.

Genuine posters should take real care with their 'offers' for their own protection.
NimrodSat, 12 Feb 2005, 04:41 pm

Minutes silence for AM

Arthur Miller, one of the great American playwrights, whose work exposed the flaws in the fabric of the American dream, died yesterday at his home in Roxbury, Conn. He was 89.

The author of "Death of a Salesman," a landmark of 20th-century drama, Miller grappled with the weightiest matters of social conscience in his plays and in them often reflected or reinterpreted the stormy and very public elements of his own life: among them, a brief and rocky marriage to Marilyn Monroe and his staunch refusal to cooperate with the red-baiting House Committee on Un-American Activities.
crgwllmsSat, 12 Feb 2005, 05:06 pm

Re: Minute's silence for AM

Arthur Miller 1915-2005

www.nytimes.com/ref/theater/newsandfeatures/MILLER-REF.html?th
crgwllmsSun, 13 Feb 2005, 01:54 am

Re: Czechmate

Guilty teen wrote:
>
> Craig,
>
> I excpect you to be cynical and untrusting after what I have
> done.
> As for the character of Claude he is exactly as i have
> written it.
> I am a writer and writing 'acting skills' probably wasn't
> correct.
> I realize what i did was wrong and ask for forgiveness.



Hey there Guilty guy,

I just checked back for an example of some of your 'writing':

> I like the way that you are dedicated to your acting and I would like to
> offer you your chance at fame. I am auditioning 13-15 year old girls for a > part in a movie. I would like to see apicture of you so I can audition you.
> So please send a picture to Claude_McNamara @hotmail.com


....by the looks of it, 'I am a writer' probably wasn't correct either. Maybe a different word starting with w ?


I'm not the one you should be asking for forgiveness.


Cheers
Craig
Walter PlingeSun, 13 Feb 2005, 05:37 am

Re: Someone Stop Claude

Claude e-mailed me and asked me if I wanted to be in a hollywood film. I havent checked this site for a week because i have been on holiday but he said that I would have to fly to Brisbane. I told him that I couldn't and he said he is interested for me to be in his 2 other feature films he is filming later on. I sent him my picture and my description details!!!!!!!
Walter PlingeSun, 13 Feb 2005, 05:39 am

Re: Czech your story

YOU STUPID BASTARD I BELIEVED YOU
Walter PlingeMon, 14 Feb 2005, 10:45 am

Re: Minute's silence for AM

Currently rehearsing for "The Crucible", we found out saturday morning as we were all gathered in our puritan costumes. There was something creepy about that. May he rest in peace.
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