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Official - Avenue Q lost money in Australia.

Thu, 9 Sept 2010, 10:33 am
Jack.Reid25 posts in thread
A while back, there was quite a debate on this site regarding Avenue Q - would the musical work commercially down under. The results are in. According to the show's local producer, it didn't. Full article below. It was on page 4 for people with a hard copy of The Australian. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/behind-this-american-puppet-is-michael-butel/story-e6frg6nf-1225914508191 Behind this American puppet . . . is Michael Butel * Michaela Boland * From: The Australian * September 06, 2010 12:00AM FOR the past year, Mitchell Butel has toured the nation as the lead puppet in the quirky US musical Avenue Q His performance earned the musical, produced by Adelaide company Arts Asia Pacific, one of eight nominations for the national performing arts industry's Helpmann Awards, which will be announced at the Sydney Opera House tonight. But for all the accolades and strong word-of-mouth, the show with a Sesame Street bent found itself competing for audiences with a slew of musicals when the musical theatre industry re-energised in the latter half of last year. The surge of activity not only in musicals but also in the concert industry and other performing arts resulted in a total $1.1 billion at the box office last year. Across 10 distinct live performance sectors, 15.2 million tickets were sold to December, according to new figures released by industry body Live Performance Australia. Overall, ticket sales were down 4 per cent on the previous year but LPA president Andrew Kay said last year was better than expected. "The reason live entertainment doesn't necessarily suffer is because we can respond to the economy by changing the product," he said. Australia's showbiz industry peaked with the broader economy in 2007 when 20.1 million tickets generated $1.2bn at the box office. Ticket sales then fell by 25 per cent in 2008. Mr Kay said the growth in ticket prices reveals the strength of the live entertainment economy. Avenue Q producer Torben Brookman said a breakdown of the figures would reveal a much-stronger second half compared with early last year when some shows were cancelled and others sold weakly because of the grim broader economy. High School Musical, for example, was cancelled early last year, which led to empty theatres in some cities. "Before the really big shows like Wicked and Jersey Boys kicked in, there was a lull," Mr Brookman said. Avenue Q opened last year, and audiences brave enough to buy a ticket to a musical by puppets loved it. It toured for more than a year before it closed in June, yet it failed to return a profit, a fact hidden by LPA's figures. "The most dramatic impact was sponsorship dollars dried up so it was harder to offset additional marketing costs, which all flows on to lower gross sales," Mr Brookman said.

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Tue, 21 Sept 2010, 10:22 pm
Okay, I did just read every post of that thread. I also paid attention to what was said on or off topic. Do you want the play-by-play statistics? I counted 23 posts that were directly on topic. 24 posts were off topic but reasonably defending a point of view against someone who was obviously just trolling. All of the above were authored by either Na, Murray, Freddie, JeffHansen, DazzaB, Haley, cernunnon, Labrug, Grant Watson, Neville, or Logos. All people here who I have argued with previously and respect their opinions and their contributions to this forum. That leaves 26 posts that were all obviously written by one guy with many names, who came across as a complete dickhead. It was funny to a point, but as I said before, the first time I tried to read the entire thread I simply got bored by him. He reminds me completely of the Monty Python 'Argument' sketch: "Is the right room for an argument? I've told you once. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. When? Just now. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. Excuse me. Is the five minute argument or the half hour? Oh, just the five minute. Thank you. Anyway, I did tell you. No, you most certainly did not. Let's get one thing straight: I most definitely told you. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. This isn't an argument! Yes, it is. No, it isn't. It's just contradiction. No, it isn't. Yes, it is. You just contradicted me. No, I didn't. Yes, you did. No, no, no. You did just then. That's ludicrous. Oh, this is futile. No, it isn't. I came in here for a good argument. No, you didn't. You came in here for an argument. Well, argument isn't the same as contradiction. Can be. No, it can't. An argument is a collective series of statements intended to establish a proposition. No, it isn't. Yes, it is. It isn't just contradiction. Look, if I argue with you. I must take a contrary position. But it isn't just saying No, it isn't. Yes, it is. No, it isn't. Argument's an intellectual protest, contradiction just the automatic opposite of any statement the other person makes. No, it isn't. Yes, it is. Not at all......" At one stage, he got a tiny bit creative and made up another alias which tried to argue with himself, only so he could be seen to 'win' something, but in general his lame arguments were simply automatic contradiction and only trying to provoke a reaction. I now look up at everything posted in THIS thread, and realise that it was begun by the same anonymous person, who brings up their one-and-only point simply to gain leverage into another trolling match. 12 anonymous posts, all by the same troll with an agenda against those people in the previous thread. 2 posts being cynical, with reason, about the value of continuing this tired argument. (JMuzz, JeffHansen) 3 posts being reasonably on topic, presumably because they hadn't read the previous thread (Tom Camp, Paul Treasure, and myself) 5 posts responding to the increasing stupidity of the anonymous troll. (Logos, Labrug, and again myself.) I notice that when the troll could not reasonably defend himself against my accusation of being a nutter, he made up another persona to try and defend himself. When I refused to take the bait, but proclaimed myself quite happy to antagonise in return, the troll decided (for once) not to automatically find fault and oppose every sentence that was said, but to deflect back to his original tired argument . However he made the mistake of pointing me back to the first thread...as if that would somehow make his argument seem justified. ? But it simply and finally pointed out that this troll has lost his reason to exist. Nothing he can now say will hold any further credulity. I've seen through him, and therefore he now becomes invisible. If he wants to return he'll have to do a damn sight better job at disguising himself. Cheers, Craig ~<8>-/====\---------

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